public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
serious question to which I would like serious discussion/answers: is it ethical to dox Nazis? like, taking pictures of the Seattle Nazi crew (and their cars, and their buddies), posting them to the internet, finding out where they live/work and posting that to the internet, that kind of thing?
I'm fine with Nazi-punching, and in practice doxing has worked to silence them. I'm curious what y'all think on the subject.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green without directly answering you, I think as a more general matter the internet has allowed people to be "private" nazis, and a lot of what allows the marketplace of ideas to work is subjecting ideas to public scrutiny and being willing to stand by them in public.
So the way nazism is "succeeding" now is by circumventing the vetting of ideas by public exposure which is supposed to be a normal part of the process.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@abbenm yep. after the "lol we can be Nazis in public and not wear masks or anything!" led directly to "qq why are we getting fired/having family members disown us/being publicly reviled?" it's been interesting to note how those willing to do Nazi shit in public have also become much less willing to be easily identified. I'm thinking of a guide to non-confrontationally documenting public Nazi behavior for subsequent identification and shaming.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@abbenm unless your comment is more "but we need to discuss why Nazi stuff is bad!" which is um, well, no, we really don't. XD
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green we don't need to discuss why nazi stuff is bad. We need to inform people who believe such a debate is necessary that they are disqualified from conversation
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green They want me and people like me dead. exposing them to public scrutiny is a matter of self-defense. If they didn't want their shit exposed, they shouldn't be doing expose-worthy shit. Or to put it another way, if they aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to fear.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green It depends on what you intend to do with the dox.
Are you releasing them publicly? Probably not a good thing to do as it can come back onto you as well as potentially damage an innocent person if you're wrong (I've seen it happen way too much).
Are you sharing it with smaller groups to keep watch on them to work against them? Very good.
Please keep in mind that I'm very against doxxing personally, so don't post it on here if you decide to.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@vahnj this is exactly the kind of information/discussion I'm looking for. I was thinking about the people that did the torchlight mob-march and were later identified and fired, and about the dicks being public Nazis in Seattle but covering their faces, and trying to navigate the smartest, most effective *and ethical* thing to do.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green Hell yes. Send information to employers and get them fired.
It's just really important not to leverage dox as a social tool, which is why I'm so against it in the public sphere- it should be a way to remove the economic means of their politics.
That's not to say "you should never go public", esp if the institution who could do something protects them instead.
There's a nuanced line and I don't want to have to decide where that is personally.
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@vahnj *nodnodnod* this all makes very good sense, thank you!
public Nazis, ethics, doxing, question
@green I think you should kill nazis. Anything short of killing them is of course fine.