Indi Latrani @indi@awoo.space
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Joined Apr 2017
Paganism for plushies
Spiritwork for the synthetic
Animism for AIs
@mawr That's why sometimes it's easier just to be plush. ;)
@literorrery Not how I'd do it myself, but that's an approach I'd love to see. :)
@literorrery I mean, for serious:
"Program to an 'interface', not an 'implementation'."
That sounds like pretty much exactly what you were getting at earlier. ;)
@literorrery Help I'm reading summaries of Design Patterns (the book) and it's giving me praxis ideas.
@Fuego For good reason. :)
Each and every subreddit is a fascinating and unique example of how community-building can fail. ;)
@Fuego Yes I too have read /r/occult. ;)
@Fuego At least Bluefluke doesn't end up like a bunch of other chaotes sounding like a PUA dirtbag whenever dealing with the subject of spirits. That counts for a TON with me.
@literorrery @Fuego Yeah, basically all this.
@Fuego Yeah, that'd explain why it rubbed just-me wrong; I _know_ that way exists. ;)
I don't want to sound like I'm being negative about it at all, because it gave me a lot of useful food for thought too. It's just not what I personally would give to someone just starting out.
I can see why others would, though. ;)
@Fuego I think perhaps I did get a whiff of 'one-way-ism' off of it in the implications, made a bit more frustrating by the fact that it textually kept saying 'there are other ways'.
All that being said, I'll admit that as basically an ex-chaote myself, I'm probably hypersensitized to that sort of thing.
@Fuego I've had a train of thought running for the last several minutes trying to decide what I think of Bluefluke's book, because I knew it was going to come up.
I like a lot about it, for sorta the same reason, it gets close to the 'design pattern' approach.
Perhaps the main reason I bounced off it a bit was the same reason I struggled with of Gamma, Helm Johnson, and Vlissides: I don't code in Java. ;)
@literorrery I'm also saying that if you write it without me I am going to be QUITE annoyed. ;)
@Fuego @KawaSeadrake @literorrery
Worse, there are many books I can think of that say "Design Patterns" on the cover, and inside have 101 scripts for your website. ;)
@literorrery @KawaSeadrake @Fuego
Even more to the point, by way of delving deeper into the analogy: Magic has a whole lot of "Anyone can code!" books, a whole plague of "101 scripts for your website" books, and very few tomes on design patterns. :)
@literorrery @KawaSeadrake @Fuego
More to the point: HOW MANY tech projects have burned down, fell over, and sank into the swamp after someone uttered the dread phrase "Oh, that's just an implementation detail!"
@literorrery @KawaSeadrake (and @Fuego)
I... hmm.
May I respectfully raise the point that I'm not sure the world needs yet another "magic is what you make of it, do what thou wilt!" text, and what it does need is more earnest and forthright EXAMPLES of how someone did that for themself?
Spirits know that if I had earlier access to the latter, I'd be a lot further along in my own personal figuring-out.
@KawaSeadrake @literorrery Heh. I think you both have stepped off the point at which I agree.
That or I don't actually 'believe' yet.
@itsnero I am ALWAYS willing to talk about this stuff. Possibly at length. ;)
Hey it's time again for one of those intermittent "Indi posts a paganism/spiritwork thing!"
http://sarahannelawless.com/2017/04/23/everthing-you-need-to-know-about-animism/
"Everything You Need to Know About Animism", and the title is surprisingly apt; it's 8000 words long, very in-depth, and raises a ton of points I agree with, and only a few I take minor issue with.
If you want to know where I'm coming from with all this 'animist' stuff, that's a good place to start!
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Glowy Postfurry Gay Coyotter Rave Toy.
Responding to @mentions and not much else. 💜
Joined Apr 2017
