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Something tells me I'm gonna be spending a lot of time in the next two weeks looking for my old 20th Century Russia textbooks to explain why, in point of fact, communism is not some good shit. :|
Socialism is some good shit. At the VERY least, communism needs to be run through a good-quality filter that removes particles of Stalinist and Leninist contaminants.
I sentence all you young antifa whelps to eat in a Polish milkbar for the rest of eternity.
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@zebratron2084 Communism's got problems for sure. Good thing we have this republic democracy hybrid with no problems whatsoever!
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@zebratron2084 @mawr Or, you know, we could talk about all the non-Russian communist -- really more akin to anarchomutualist than classic Marxist -- implementations and remind people that Russia is not a role model, but a strong counterexample.
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@literorrery @mawr I have a horrible sinking feeling that any such argument among the three of us would swiftly descending into semantics over what constitutes "communism" exactly.
But I'll eagerly concede that there were quite a few socialist governments, esp. in Latin America, that would probably have been quite humane but never got to Do Their Thing because of US Cold War interference (read: "discreetly shooting people").
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@zebratron2084 @literorrery I know you know that socialism isn't a form of governance, it's an economic platform. The closest thing we have to the practices of socialism in the form of a system of governance is loosely defined as "communism" with many many many different methods and applications named after the dictators who attempted to put their method in practice.
As a result, "Communism" is frequently used as an umbrella term for socialist governance.
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@mawr @zebratron2084 These are generally the ones on my personal list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism
English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers
Global (Italian origin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter.....7s_Association
Swiss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jura_Federation
Argentinian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argen.....ian_Federation
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@mawr @zebratron2084 When I say "communism" I mean "rule by (nested) commune." If I mean Soviet Communism, I'll say "Soviet." They had some reasonable ideas, nearly instantly corrupted by post-war resource shortages and a global assault on their right to self-determination.
No doubt any localized system that publicly tried the same would end up the same, for many of the same reasons. Hence the need for consciousness-raising and private implementation.
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@zebratron2084 @mawr
Spanish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spani.....lution_of_1936 -- of note, George Orwell served in this one and spoke highly of its efforts, goals, and outcomes
French: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarc.....ation_(France)
Korean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Shinmin
Danish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
American: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_politics
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