@literorrery @zebratron2084 So when folks say "communism is some good shit" they probably have an ideal form in mind that's never actually been tried on a large scale.

@mawr @zebratron2084 These are generally the ones on my personal list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism
English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers
Global (Italian origin): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter.....7s_Association
Swiss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jura_Federation
Argentinian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argen.....ian_Federation

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@zebratron2084 @mawr

Spanish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spani.....lution_of_1936 -- of note, George Orwell served in this one and spoke highly of its efforts, goals, and outcomes
French: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarc.....ation_(France)
Korean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_Shinmin
Danish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
American: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_politics

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@mawr @zebratron2084 When I say "communism" I mean "rule by (nested) commune." If I mean Soviet Communism, I'll say "Soviet." They had some reasonable ideas, nearly instantly corrupted by post-war resource shortages and a global assault on their right to self-determination.

No doubt any localized system that publicly tried the same would end up the same, for many of the same reasons. Hence the need for consciousness-raising and private implementation.

@mawr @literorrery I just want some awareness of the very real negative historical baggage that comes with that term. I am TERRIFIED the same thing will happen to my leftist friends that happened to the right. I feel like I'm already seeing it happen.

Dammit, I'm not angry, I'm shit-scared. ;_;

@zebratron2084 @literorrery I can't speak for everyone of course, but I wouldn't back a movement that wasn't well considered-- but I absolutely will enthusiastically support the excitement of the base that will inevitably produce such a movement.

Fight or flight sucks; it teaches us to display anger in public opposition and compassion in private-- and it hurts to switch those things around, but that's how social progress is made.

@mawr @literorrery I know, Mawr, and I really do apologize for getting into it with the both of you -- it's especially silly, because if there's ANYBODY I would trust to do due moral diligence in the event of Really Bad Leftism rising in this country, it'd be you two...

@zebratron2084 @literorrery It's all good, hon.

Stuff like this, by the way, is why I cut so much slack for those SJW kids you rag on so much. ~.=.^

@mawr Umm...

@mawr @zebratron2084 I will say that many SJW kids need a good lesson in how not to cause harm in the course of Doing The Right Thing(tm), 'cause my biggest complaint about the movement is that many of its members don't seem to care if they cause more pain than is necessary in the course of protecting folks. I'm all for their aims; I just wish more folks prioritized de-escalation over counterattacks. Save the fights for after peace talks fail.

@literorrery @zebratron2084 That is absolutely valid.

@zebratron2084 @mawr There's a huge amount of clustering in that phrase: "the same thing." Lots of things have happened to "the right." Some of it I don't think can happen to us. Some of it can and should, like defining our moral center. Some of it can and shouldn't, like using our out-groups as a tool for generating in-group cohesion. Seen way too much of that, and it bugs me.

If I'm to offer more than vague reassurances, I could do with more clarity.