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Something tells me I'm gonna be spending a lot of time in the next two weeks looking for my old 20th Century Russia textbooks to explain why, in point of fact, communism is not some good shit. :|

Socialism is some good shit. At the VERY least, communism needs to be run through a good-quality filter that removes particles of Stalinist and Leninist contaminants.

I sentence all you young antifa whelps to eat in a Polish milkbar for the rest of eternity.

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@zebratron2084 Communism's got problems for sure. Good thing we have this republic democracy hybrid with no problems whatsoever!

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@zebratron2084 @mawr Or, you know, we could talk about all the non-Russian communist -- really more akin to anarchomutualist than classic Marxist -- implementations and remind people that Russia is not a role model, but a strong counterexample.

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@literorrery @mawr I have a horrible sinking feeling that any such argument among the three of us would swiftly descending into semantics over what constitutes "communism" exactly.

But I'll eagerly concede that there were quite a few socialist governments, esp. in Latin America, that would probably have been quite humane but never got to Do Their Thing because of US Cold War interference (read: "discreetly shooting people").

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@mawr @literorrery I'll also concede that pretty much every communist state that went ass-over-elbows into brutal oppression had the baggage of coming from mostly rural, agricultural societies that already had fairly shitty civic traditions and not much experience with petty things like "civil rights"... We don't really HAVE a good example of a healthy society making a transition to communism AFAIK. (Though feel free to offer one?)

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