Zeta Syanthis @zetasyanthis@awoo.space

@literorrery Okay... let's just leave this off for now, then. I think we're talking past each other, unfortunately. :/ (And I think I'm not adequately communicating the emotional side of what I want to be communicating, so I need to think on that.)

@literorrery Yes? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

@literorrery Agreed. (I actually typed up and deleted that from my statement, because I decided I wanted to underscore the disagreements instead.)

@literorrery I don't think you can establish state control of a *large scale* economy without the prerequisite of political control, hence all existing implementations ending up in human rights disasters.

@literorrery 1) I am not comparing all communists to Stalin. 2) I /am/ however, very concerned that the folks who promote that system of government (which implies use of force to implement it, because not everyone agrees) haven't learned the lessons of history. (1/N...)

@literorrery Okay, I want you to know I'm taking you seriously, but I am seriously considering walking away from this conversation since I don't want to drown in minutiae. That said, give me a sec to re-state what I mean here.

@literorrery That's not really a question I can answer here. People have written entire damned books on it. XD Start here at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

@literorrery (I say that so that you know I'm not just idealistically opposed. Yes, we need to do better.)

@literorrery For the record, I'm lean democratic socialist, but I'm also enough of a realist that I don't think capitalism will ever truly go away, even if it's not the mainstay. Stupid self interest might be able to be driven into the black market, but you're never going to kill it completely.

@literorrery Okay, the first one there is a thousand people. The second lasted three years from what my quick googling said. If you want to be serious, show me something that lasted for 50 years plus with millions of people that actually worked (and obviously wasn't horrific).

@literorrery And I actually kinda pulled my punch there. I meant to say that it's ended up pretty horrific in *every* country that's tried it in modern history, not just a lot.

@literorrery Note that that's not a judgement on the system itself, just on how it's gone so far. If anything, I'd say that we're not yet able to handle governmental systems like that. We have too much damage in our societies for someone to not rise up and attempt to use those kinds of power structures to control others.

@literorrery Oof. I take issue with that one. Not every christian or atheist is a terrible person, but there are a hell of a lot of examples of how communism was really really bad in many countries.

Okay, if we weren't living in the sci-fi future before, we definitely are now. This is fucking nuts. (It's also outrageously cool.) http://www.storagereview.com/wd_unveils_its_microwaveassisted_magnetic_recording_technology

@mawr *overnights an industrial dishwasher, and provides many, many hugs and dragon snuggles* <3

@mawr I know I'm grasping at straws, but I'm trying to help. ^^;

@mawr Well, that gives some time to hopefully fix some of this insanity. >.< Might help to set up a VM at home for the VPN, and keep your machine otherwise on your home internet?

@mawr Oh hell. >.< *more and more hugs* I honestly don't know how to help with that. Is there no way your team can utterly ignore the reqs and just do what you need to?

@mawr *support hugs* >.< Can your manager not help if you push back that it's impacting your ability to work?

@Draekos Is there anything we can do to help you rest more safely?