@adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz @kelseyhusky I would argue that there are other narratives that don't force that false dichotomy, but few of them deal realistically with the problems of long-term living in space. Solarpunk is one of the rare... dare I say it, _hopeful_... burnout scenarios I see that remains firmly rooted on Earth, as opposed to abandoning it for a restart with more data on Terra Nova.

@literorrery @adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz @kelseyhusky ... Especially since there ain't no Terra Nova. n..n;

@Soreth @adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz @kelseyhusky To be sure, I think we're close to having tech that would render something close to it. Seasteading isn't far off, I suspect. that said, building from scratch is __hard__, and even if we could, it's unlikely we could save everyone. A future that demands sacrifice for many to ensure the survival of the few isn't a very healthy one, even if we should be on the lookout for Malthus' Curse and managing our global population growth more intelligently.

@Soreth @adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz @kelseyhusky I don't know what the limits of Earth's carrying capacity actually is, but I'm willing to bet we're over it, and I don't think socialism alone as it exists can solve that. Logistics and last-mile problems will still necessitate asking whether cities like Tucson and Las Vegas are sustainable in the long run.

@literorrery @Soreth @adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz I think cities in general aren't sustainable as they are and many of them would probably benefit from meeting a few KEWs from orbit just so that they can be more properly rebuilt in order to be more beneficial to people and planet alike. I think adjusting for the carrying demands is the only good solution, cause we've done our best to wipe out the major causes of human population control (disease, famine, industrialized world war)

@kelseyhusky @Soreth @adeptomega @ctrlaltdog@chitter.xyz I currently think that most cities could be _made_ sustainable, and more to the point, that doing so is a better long-term strategy than encouraging more sprawl by depopulating the cities we have in favor of more logistical nightmares. Remember how expensive it is to transport goods relative to their point of origin. Shorter transit distance == more sustainability. Bring the farms home.