@IrisKalmia I mean yeah
But like
My idea of play is certainly not 'everything stays the same forever' and the idea that it is just sort of strikes this visceral horror note in me

@IrisKalmia I get The Story and Football and etc etc etc but still. It's just.. how it hits me isn't apparently the same as others.

@Oneironott The fact it was all from the perspective of 20th century probes that gained awareness and were dealing with the loss of purpose kinda just... struck me well? It started from such a brilliant note I couldn't mind it. Also lacking the *needs* of this body and the constraints added by time would... Make me mind it a lot less. I'd be healthy, I could sleep without shame... A day spent doing fuck all but playing with cups, water and a laser pointer wouldn't break me?

@IrisKalmia @Oneironott I read into this a very narrow view of the world-- and I can take bits and pieces from it and consider them in that environment

Think of it like a science project. This universe is like an experiment in a perfect vacuum-- the results don't make sense in our reality because we don't live in a vacuum, but the results are still interesting and can be learned from.

@mawr @IrisKalmia
Yeah, it's just that trying to place myself in that scenario is horrifying and I find the entire situation deeply, -deeply- depressing in a way I'm not sure was the actual intent of the fiction
Which is like... fine, FWIW? I mean, It says a lot about me, probably XD

@mawr @Oneironott @IrisKalmia Same here, honestly. The most recent chapters also get into the kind of existential horror that comes from everything staying the same itself somewhat, personally I'm waiting out what else comes from this - I smell deep plot waiting to happen.

@Thaminga @IrisKalmia @mawr Oh I mean like... they havn't touched -why- people aren't dying and I feel like that's a certain type of gun waiting to go off

@Oneironott @mawr @IrisKalmia They've touched on -how-, sure (nanobots), but the why, or how things went that way -exactly- remains a mystery.

@Oneironott @IrisKalmia
There is a book called The Grasshopper: Games, Life and Utopia. It is a send up of the tale of the Grasshopper and the Ant. It argued that the core of human endeavor, is play. Meaning comes, from play. The pursuit of knowledge, power, life and liberty that currently permiate our existence are only a result of scarcity. Once that is removed and people no longer seek external validation, they will turn to play for the love of it.

@Irick @IrisKalmia That I dig :)

@IrisKalmia @Oneironott
Every Utopia is a no where place. The book was written well past the turn into Distopia fiction, and it is written in such a playful manor that it is difficult to intuit if the author intended to stand by his arguments or to present them for fun.

Every Utopia is also a vision of true things and hope. But because matter does not stay pure for long, they are true things which exist in no place. Instead, they offer guides of mind.

@Oneironott like, I knew this was JB's position because the ending of tebow cfl staked it out, and I disagreed with it then for the same reasons you stated, but at least then there were many more things going on

whereas this is basically written like it's defensively responding to jon bois' twitter mentions in real time

@Oneironott and thats just a really bad way to write anything, I have learned that one the hard way

@Oneironott btw if you just wanna talk about futures and cool shit we should do in the future instead of thinking about that trashbucket football thing I'm very up for that

@Linael yes!!!!

@Oneironott so yeah one idea I have is around various extensions of neuromapping. there's sooooo many things we'll be able to do once we can split off and change little bits of ourselves in a controlled manner

@Oneironott like!:
- artificially induced multiplicity?? good at friendships
- changing yourself to make yourself more confident or talk like a water nymph or whatever the hecku
- this is the part I'm really excited about is you can craft little agreements w/ yourself to create things, and then show them to the rest of yourself and it feels brand new
- also you can get up to some bedroom stuff with all that!

@Oneironott like people's selves will not stay constant once tech makes it easier that's just hecking obvious to me

@Oneironott terraforming's good too, we can start spreading out to different idyllic planets like they're mastodon instances (or I guess more so IRC servers because lightspeed limited communication but.)
it wont be environmentally catastrophic to move people if you can just send (multiply backed-up) mind-info and reconstruct the body at the destination planet

@Oneironott which, yeah, you'd need a way to do that (and probably not an Arbitrary Matter Creator because thats way too dangerous) but it seems very doable and with "many people want different bodies!" now in the mainstream and increasingly acknowledged in/part of tech, well.

@Oneironott like :) i'm gonna get wiiiiings
how the fuck anyone not excited about wings

@Oneironott idk to each their own but i am excited about wings

@Linael yeah!! I mean!!! Those are things to excite us folks :) I hope it happens before I move on, but I'm just happy that all this stuff is just… inevitable. Not… really a doubt in my mind that inevitably we will be about to do such~ 💙