Indi Latrani @indi@awoo.space

@typhlosion @Fuego Well, which build do you want to aim for, 'shiny service-bot', 'betentacled ocean-friend', or 'glowy rave-toy'?

@Fuego @typhlosion Seconded. ^.^

@literorrery And I'm gonna keep poking you about it every time you do it, because this shit is too important for us to fall into that hole a THIRD time.

@literorrery @starkatt @shoofle Still and all, the very specific things you're referencing here pertain to a "group of folks doing postfurry things", NOT to "postfurry as a whole." Unless I missed the meeting where folks decided that one single chatroom was going to be that. ;)

@starkatt @shoofle @starryblush@witches.town @typhlosion The best definitions I've found for both tend to be in the DOING; you can tell when someone's 'doing furry stuff' without having words for it exactly. You can say stuff like "it's an anthropomorphic animal, and it's being handled in a way that is *waves hands vaguely* so it's furry." And that means it's basically a social-context definition, and THAT means the subject is fraught and awkward in a ton of different ways.

@typhlosion @starryblush@witches.town @shoofle @starkatt I kinda think coming up with a textual definition of "postfurry" is just as difficult as doing the same for "furry"... possibly compounded by the fact that it's defined IN TERMS of furry.

@starkatt @shoofle @starkatt TBH I think it's a little more complicated than this even: I'm not sure anyone in those spaces intended them to be quite as 'core' as they are and the elitism/gatedness I usually read as an attempt at safe-space-by-another-name (partially because some of these groups were founded before "safe space" was part of the discourse the way it is now)

@forestservice @starkatt @starryblush@witches.town @typhlosion 1000x this, yup.

@literorrery That's part of it (and I want a group like that too!) The other part involves a half-formed thought about different sorts of 'solo' approaches and how some might be better than others at forming a framework for learning how to establish connections, thus bringing us back to my initial "wow that sounds lonely" thought.

But yeah, I'm not gonna be able to express this well in a serial format like this.

@literorrery Definitely agreed there. :)

I admit I have some complicated thoughts about the interactions of how you describe your path, on the one paw, and the attainment of better empathy and interpersonal connection on the other, but I think even 500 characters are too small to contain them. A conversation, sometime, perhaps?

@literorrery Yeah, I can totally relate to that last bit myself. Though don't forget M parts dealing with racist/sexist assholes. ;) I have to deal with that enough just reading blogs.

I remember first picking up the Werewolf the Apocalypse books and getting blown away not (just) because of the badass wolves but also because so much of the cosmology resonated so much.

LB is a good overview of the start of it for me and then there were the added layers of hearing a ton of local First Nations stories growing up, and taking long day-dream walks through the land that those legends told about, and even in church getting some of the trailing edge of 1970's 'nature is great' hippie Christianity. And then just stuff like the previously mentioned alt-school I went to for 7th grade, and the general Santa Fe culture.

@literorrery Again, not trying to call you out on doing anything wrong, if anything it just makes me wonder: "Hmm, what path does INDI sound like ve's on, that ve still professes to not actually feel a part of" (Since I too feel like I've never found any external guides that adequately describe what I'm doing)

I mean, feel free to answer. I can take it. Probably. ;)

@literorrery (Gah, I deleted something for an edit and then lost my clipboard version of it. Trying again)

Not intended as a slight, just further pondering: What always strikes me when I hear you talk about your path is how similar it sounds to a lot of other stuff that gets a lot of focus in the broader esoteric community (e.g. psychological-focussed ceremonial/ritual stuff), so it always makes me go '...huh' when you describe your self-percieved distance from such.

@literorrery Back to the original point, what I was musing over was not that, even, other than just pondering how your description of the whole thing seemed so solitary, internal-focussed, which never worked when I tried to do it; not to say it's wrong for anyone else, just musing on how strange and impossible it sounds from where I'm sitting. If it's working for you, and it sounds like it is, then great. :)

@literorrery I admit I take a bit of exception to that being something that requires/implies a dot of Faith, and can't just be accepted as part of Paradigm. ;)

@literorrery I think you're thinking of different companions than the ones I'm thinking of. :)

@literorrery Going it alone sounds hard.

...Then again, last night I ended up staring at a situation that made me and Coyote both shrug helplessly at each other so it's not like I'm doing awesome over here either. c.c;