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re: meta, The Discourse, pathologies of subcultures 

@kistaro There's a beautiful image in Theodore Roszak's Making of a Counterculture, and it goes something like (I paraphrase DRASTICALLY, it's been decades)...

The state keeps all its loyal people in a big fort, where there's food and water and comfort inside -- and all the freaks and rabble are kept outside. But they don't have the forces to keep them out forever.

So they have a very clever strategy: once the outsiders are pointing so hard at the door that they're sure to get inside, they FLING the door wide open instead, and make sure the invaders run so far inside that they're trapped.

Then someone hands them a baton and a uniform and steers them to the door.

"Oh, we're so glad you're here! We had JUST decided we were all wrong about you people and were going to let you in! Now, do us a favor -- take this and guard the door against those freaks outside."

re: meta, The Discourse, pathologies of subcultures 

@kistaro

also *coughburningmancough* >_<

re: meta, The Discourse, pathologies of subcultures 

@kistaro Specifically, I'm bringing it up as a reminder that in a way, the mainstream kinda holds subcultures like ours up as forbidden fruit. First we're a tantalizing other, and once we're both repulsive and curiosity-inducing... it's time to strip off all our problematic parts and put us out as bait. So arguably it's even worse, because it's not just that normal people are randomly wandering in, it's that they're effectively being *sent* in to colonize us as a reward for Being Good.

"OK, folks, meet your new friend Hugh Hefner. we're willing to relax your sexual repression a little bit IF you're rich enough and play the game right AND you dress right AND you look right AND you take a lead role in reinforcing the patriarchy for us. Have fun, sport! ^_____^ "

"OK, folks, we see that the Internet is getting very popular. Good news! We've dropped the taboo on socializing and roleplaying online. You just have to pay a big corporate gaming studio to mediate the whole thing for you. What's that? Community? Oh, we have something better -- RARE ITEM DROPS! ^_______^ "

"Good news, queer people! It's OK to be gay! Now sign up to your corporate mailing list and we'll hand out the ribbons. Now, rents ARE going to become unachievable for all your friends who *couldn't* get cushy IT jobs, so you're going to have to decatuple up on living quarters. But you people love that anyway, with your polyamory and free love and everything, right? ^______^ "

You get the picture...

re: meta, The Discourse, pathologies of subcultures 

@kistaro Are you familiar with the neo-Marxist term "repressive desublimation?" It feels like it applies very well to this whole problem we're discussing...

Truly excellent write-up either way. <3

meta, The Discourse, pathologies of subcultures 

This was originally inside a conversation but it seems like a topic worth bringing up as its own top-level post. The CW is vague because frankly this applies to a lot of subcultures and whatever variation of The Discourse you prefer.

The original context was about feeling safe in an uncommon identity (not so uncommon around these parts, but uncommon generally), and feeling much less so as a subculture eats itself in Discourse:

Being Weird has never been safe. It never will be. If it’s safe, it’s not weird anymore. Most of what humans do socially is to try to make behaviors in people they don’t understand unsafe: that is, if it isn’t a problem on its own, make it a problem until the Weird thing goes away.

Whenever anything Weird looks like it’s getting normalized, then normal people move in, and whatever inside the Weird space was getting covered by being observed almost entirely by Weird people now has to deal with Normal people and That Is Usually A Problem.

Subcultures fighting for acceptance are rarely prepared to reach it, because the obnoxious crap they were dealing with from Normal people was shielding them from the obnoxious crap they’d deal with in their own community if it got a sizable contingent of genuinely normal people. Subcultures are only innately resistant to intolerance as long as they are abhorrent to intolerant people; when the stigma is gone, everyday run-of-the-mill intolerance rapidly arrives in the community. I don’t mean “and then the racists and fascists and nazis show up!”, I mean “and then the people who object vehemently to things they don’t understand or aren’t into show up”.

re: gaming, disco elysium spoiler 

@mmsword It's a beautiful experience, isn't it.

re: gaming, disco elysium spoiler 

@anthracite That's Coin Crypt. Nothing in Disco Elysium makes cheerful noises, dear.

gaming, disco elysium spoiler 

I have now completed Disco Elysium four times, if by "complete" you mean "beat Measurehead senseless, then declare victory and start the game over."

re: laundry TMI 

@anthracite i saw the headline and was afraid you were gonna spill the beans about ralphs shocking lifestyle :O

transpol, media (+) 

I know there are some problematic gender politics moments in Twin Peaks, but... "Fix your hearts or die" is the best exhortation to accept trans people I've ever heard It's good to know David, addled and cryptic though he can be, is on our side. <3

mauling, kookpol, parallax (i.e. "empress rez, what ELSE is best in life?") 

Oh, yeah and (d) I think I may have really annoyed some conspiracy theorists who were babbling about Baphomet, Biden, and a particularly rectum-scented brand of numerology. And of course (e) dragon lady has been getting back to work, gorgeous work, on Parallax.

So today did basically provide a small sampler pack of The Things Enormous Monstercats Love.

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food, drugs, cat (i.e. "empress rez, what is best in life?") 

Today was kind of meh, but (a) my dealer's probably coming over tomorrow (b) a deservedly 5-star Cuban/Honduran restaurant opened down the street and I ate arroz con pollo and tostones probably intended to feed like four people (c) Shemp was a super-cuddly boy today and hung out on the back of my studio couch and kneaded my stuffed unicorn for like ten minutes, freakin' adorable and I wish I'd gotten pics.

if true, the only good news of the past four years (spoiler: not true) 

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weather, mh (--) 

god... fucking... just god fucking dammit

a passing thought inspired by lapiniousmalice's Other Side comic 

(furaffinity.net/view/25666924 though this particular thought was inspired by the most recent page)

"You know... I think I like these fae types a lot better when they look NERVOUS. Just a little scared of _you_ is exactly where you want these motherfuckers to be."

re: discourse snark, pangrams 

@Soreth APPROPRIATION!!!

(fortunately, according to my new religion, appropriation is always appropriate...

youtu.be/fgOw9nk9Zq8?t=507

[CW: willful and satirical misuse of indigenous cultural items; deliberate extreme whiteness; scary amateur bris practices :> ])

re: discourse snark, pangrams 

@Soreth Not unless you are all of the following

(a) a sphinx
(b) black
(c) made of quartz

either before or after your TF stock footage

she-ra discourse adjacent, queer familial structures, queer generations, birdsite xpost 

Dear younger queer folk,
Please listen to the stories us older folk have to tell about the evolution of labels/terms through time and why folks have the right to identify as/with terms you may see problematic.
No hate, we've been there before.
Think of it this way. Our wide queer community is a familial construct, and while our elders are certainly not always right (coughboomerscough), we do have the wisdom of having gone through many of the mental processes you are
We need to abandon the overpolicing of our queer communities, because in the years to come it will serve us so much better to have a less hostile familial construct so we may support and teach each other in ways this society will not.
We're not each other's [toxic] parents. We can be better, and our mistakes are not necessarily hostility against you. We can be better, and the net that we can weave as an interdependent community is more powerful than those who wish to harm us

racepol, academic, lost futures, sadness 

I took a Socio 101 course in college. I loved it. And I could have absolutely sworn that I read a quote in our textbook from an African-American researcher who proposed that racial relations improve in direct proportion to the number of civil, open conversations happening between people of different races, as equals and as part of daily life, where racial politics is not involved.

I really wish I had that textbook, could confirm the source, and could get the details. What I have instead is a cup of tears, from pondering just how far away we've drifted away from that ideal.

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