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Whitelisting Discourse [Thread #52] 

@Irick I'm not offering solutions, merely pointing out the glaring flaws inherent in your argument.

You're making huge assumptions here-- namely that everyone either shares (or at least you feel they /should/ share) your vision of what Mastodon is for.

Mastodon is a tool. You have no control over how others use that tool, nor _should_ you, or anyone else for that matter.

Please stop misrepresenting your personal grievances as public problems.

whitelist discourse 

@Oneironott Yeah, there's been a few statements made by others who feel whitelist-only Mastodon servers are morally wrong and/or that they only serve to encourage the growth of toxic communities or some such. It's been a very hurtful thread to many of the folks involved with awoo.

@kara_dreamer@witches.town Of course it's not the place for everyone, but that's what makes Mastodon so cool. You can find a space that suits your needs specifically.

As a h*ckin' queer super minority who has been the target of a lot of online abuse over the years, I sincerely appreciate the protective feeling this wonderful community inspires.

I feel like I can be myself here, and I know I'll feel the same way tomorrow because the compassionately enforced Code of Conduct is designed to foster inclusivity and compassion over hatred and abuse.

Awoo is a magical place, and the efforts of those involved are beyond appreciated. ♥️✨

@Irick Yes, I do. I would imagine many others do as well.

Whitelisting Discourse [Thread #52] 

@Irick The context in which you have presented this argument implies a non-negotiable demand for allegiance, not an invitation to discuss. If you consider open federation a moral requirement, you're effectively calling for a holy war against whitelisters.

Your position is also fundamentally and demonstrably flawed on many fronts including:
• Whitelisting actively prevents non-imaginary abuse
• Federation is dangerous to data security & privacy

Re: Opinions on Mastodon Whitelisting 

@Irick So you admit to having a potentially fallible opinion, yet also claim to be prepared to defend and uphold it with every reasonable ability you posses.

One cannot have a discussion about an opinion one is unwilling to consider outside of the context of its defense. You have to be willing to accept that you could be wrongly applying your "moral conviction."

Attacks don't have to be physical; you've hurt many with this discussion as-is.

Re: Opinions on Mastodon Whitelisting 

@Irick If you truly stand behind those statements, I will assume that you've made the decision that you're ultimately correct regardless of evidence to the contrary and further discussion on the subject would be in no way productive.

Re: Opinions on Mastodon Whitelisting 

@Irick To re-state some of the things you said here:
• Anyone who runs a whitelisted Mastodon instance is immoral in your eyes
• Whitelisted Mastodon instances are a response to exclusively non-existant threats
• It is harmful to create whitelisted Mastodon instances
• You will hold no grudge against people you consider to be immoral in this context, but will openly attack them if you feel it will further your goals

@egypturnash That buscuit appears to be soaked in the blood of many fruits.

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@KawaSeadrake Exactly.

I ended up isolating myself hardcore out here by making that assumption about many folks in the area... who were also making that assumption of me.

@chr@cybre.space 🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹🍹

whitelisting discourse, bitterness & frustration 

@starkatt This whole argument is extremely assumptive of many things in ways that are intensely frustrating to me.

Like, I guess people just assume that Mastodon instances run themselves, and that the blacklisting method of quality control isn't a full time job for a large team of people requiring 24 hour coverage and more effective moderation tools than Mastodon currently provides

Nah, "they're just toxic" yeah that's prolly it

@TipsyTentacle@witches.town @literorrery @Fuego That comic shop is owned and operated by dear friends who are also on this Mastodon instance (awoo.space) ♥️

@vahnj If you ever have use for a PHP thing please feel free to hit me up. I've been writing in this horrible language for 12 years now and I've developed a great set of tools for speedrunning through the really nasty bits

if you anger your compiler you all you will see is poutput

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