@Felthry also phones with keyboards have even less screen real estate and you can't swipe

@noiob that's why you have it do this, full size screen and you still get a keyboard

why did they stop making these, we had one of these for years and loved it

also we barely even know what "swipe" means in this context so that doesn't matter to us
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@Felthry

why did they stop making these

no one bought them

also we barely even know what "swipe" means in this context

on many soft keyboards you can just swipe from letter to letter and it'll figure out the word, it's amazing for one-handed typing

@noiob they're exactly the kind of phone we want and i want a new one like that

and yeah we've seen people using things like that, it does Not agree with the way we think about typing
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@Felthry https://www.fxtec.com/pro1

@noiob oh hey that one actually supports CDMA networks, it might be possible to use it on verizon in the US
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@noiob concerned about the "preorder" button with a "shipping in february 2022" though. that was two months ago, it's not really a preorder anymore
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@noiob also fuck we can't afford that
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@Felthry it's an enthusiast phone for a tiny market

@noiob why is it that we keep having to go to high-end niche products for what we consider basic needs

we also had to get a fancy gaming laptop just to get one that didn't have those awful tiny arrow keys
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@Felthry seems like US carriers won't support it anyways https://community.fxtec.com/topic/3513-time-to-take-action-us-carrier-whitelisting-verizon-and-att/

@noiob why does everything have to be terrible
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@Felthry well, I'd argue that most people actually like the standard glass rectangle phone. I sure do

@Felthry though you did remind me that I should really look for a classic Nokia communicator to add to my phone collection

@noiob why can't they at least provide *something* for people who don't

why do all the US carriers have to lock everything down to their "approved" list of devices

why can we not connect the devices we want to use and use them

why do phones have to be made so expensive and fragile

why can't tech be more accessible, both in the disability sense and the financial sense
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@Felthry

why can't they at least provide something for people who don't

the things that sell well are the ones that appeal to the largest number of people

why do all the US carriers have to lock everything down to their "approved" list of devices

I genuinely don't understand that, that's a really bad decision

why do phones have to be made so expensive and fragile

they're tiny relatively high-powered computers that are trying to have the most screen per body

@noiob i don't need a phone to be anywhere near as high-powered as they are, and we don't care if it's thick and chunky, hell we'd prefer that, so it doesn't feel like it's going to just break if we drop it from a height of more than one inch
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@noiob why did firefox have to break all their old extensions and make it so that a feature we rely upon is literally impossible to implement in an extension for current firefox

why do websites have to keep breaking compatibility with waterfox classic, the only way we know of to continue using the old extensions

why can't people consider accessibility and customizability in anything when it comes to tech
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@Felthry

why did firefox have to break all their old extensions and make it so that a feature we rely upon is literally impossible to implement in an extension for current firefox

because the old extension system was frankly, unsustainable. They had to ditch it to be able to have the browser keep up with Chrome

why do websites have to keep breaking compatibility with waterfox classic

that's on waterfox classic

@noiob well why didn't they replace the old extension system with one that still allows extensions to open files on the computer, because that's literally the only thing that's keeping us from switching to a more compatible browser
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@Felthry …open files on the computer?