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@xurnami People ebb and flow, move in and out, nearer and further with time and desire and capacity. If there's a split coming, there are steps we can take to heal the breach and there are steps we can take to heal the edges after. Let us not look towards one another with malice, but understand when people need to step away, or be asked to do so.
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@literorrery ... it's switched to Wake Me Up (Before You Go-Go). This is totally Mercury's fault. Everything old is new again.
@Fuego @shel This isn't to say it can't work, but everyone in the house needs to commit to the common good, and to agree on what that means, for it to work long-term. That's a lot of emotional labor for everyone to manage, and not everyone is suited to those kinds of arrangements. Even those who are can still gave different needs and those have to be communicated and managed as a group.
@Fuego @shel I've been running one in various forms for seventeen years. It doesn't always work out as it does in the dream, and the reality of having to tell people they're not contributing sufficiently -- by whatever measuring stick you use -- is a lot harder when enforcing boundaries means taking away living stability.
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@shel I usually bring up the concept of "private, like a private beach" and point to all the ways in which people have carved up the commons in blatantly dangerous ways. That seems to stop the confusion pretty quickly.
I honestly don't know what other term you'd use for "the stuff that people claim to own that they really can't and shouldn't be allowed to claim." I just say "people have coopted the concept of 'private property'" and run from there.
@Fuego Quite a while now. You were right.
@shel The labels are placeholders for an idea. I'm not beholden to the labels themselves. I'm more worried that the idea needs to be conveyed and that people will eventually work out whatever labels for themselves they need to put on those ideas. I'm not going to try to be a linguistic prescriptivist and declare what the labels ought to be.
@shel I suppose my challenge is that at some point we're going to have to draw the distinction between "personal" and "private" by whatever labels you want to call them. If you want to call it "private" and "remote" or "personal" and "collective" or whatever pair of terms, fine, but I think the real issue is that we need to get people used to the idea that some things as "not ownable by individuals," point out that individuals claim to own them, and then draw the necessary conclusions.
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@shel I think we need to bring back the distinction of personal and private property, and make it clear that the home in which you live is personal because you live in it, and then get on with the abolition of private property.
And by "live in," I mean "as a primary residence." No "I timeshare across my seven mansions" bulldada. You get one. When everybody has one, we can talk about two.
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